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One Non-Believer Vs 20 Atheists

 




Christians have to get over their Jordan Peterson obsession. What I found interesting about his debate with these atheist soyjacks is how some of them showed more wisdom than many Christians in identifying that Peterson is nowhere near Christianity. They saw it almost straight away. 

Why doesn't Jordan Peterson claim to be a Christian? People act like this is some profound “will he or won't he” mystery. It is not. He has said why in his book, "But I was truly plagued with doubt. I had outgrown the shallow Christianity of my youth by the time I could understand the fundamentals of Darwinian theory. After that, I could not distinguish the basic elements of Christian belief from wishful thinking.”[1]

The reason he does not claim to be a Chrisitan is because he sees Christianity as wishful thinking. He has "outgrown" Christianity.

He does not mean by this that he has grown in the faith. He means by this that he sees Christianity as childish. The domain of silly wishful thinking. And he reiterated in his debate with these young atheists that he still does not claim to be a Christian and never has. Which is evident, anyway, if you pay any attention to his writings.

You might respond that he talks so much about Christ that he must be close. But when Jordan Peterson speaks about Christ, he does not mean Jesus Christ of Nazareth, born of Mary, a descendant of David according to the flesh, the Second Person of the Trinity; the Jesus of Christianity. He means a very different Christ,

"That is not to say (to say it again) that obedience is sufficient. But a person capable of obedience—let’s say, instead, a properly disciplined person—is at least a well-forged tool. At least that (and that is not nothing). Of course, there must be vision, beyond discipline; beyond dogma. A tool still needs a purpose. It is for such reasons that Christ said, in the Gospel of Thomas, “The Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, but men do not see it.”[2]

The Gospel of Thomas is a foundational Gnostic text. The Christ of Peterson is not your grandma's Jesus. Unless she is a Gnostic. Peterson has always presented something more akin to a pseudo-gnostic Christ-spirit rather than the Jesus of the Bible. To him Christ is a Jungian architype, not the real saviour of the world.

“Nietzsche believed that Paul, and later the Protestants following Luther, had removed moral responsibility from Christ’s followers. They had watered down the idea of the imitation of Christ. This imitation was the sacred duty of the believer not to adhere (or merely to mouth) a set of statements about abstract belief but instead to actually manifest the spirit of the Saviour in the particular, specific conditions of his or her life—to realize or incarnate the archetype, as Jung had it; to clothe the eternal pattern in flesh. Nietzsche writes, “The Christians have never practiced the actions Jesus prescribed them; and the impudent garrulous talk about the ‘justification by faith’ and its supreme and sole significance is only the consequence of the Church’s lack of courage and will to profess the works Jesus demanded.”144 Nietzsche was, indeed, a critic without parallel…

…There are other indications of this in the gospels, in dramatic, enacted form. Christ is continually portrayed as the purveyor of endless sustenance. He miraculously multiplies bread and fish. He turns water into wine. What does this mean? It’s a call to the pursuit of higher meaning as the mode of living that is simultaneously most practical and of highest quality. It’s a call portrayed in dramatic/literary form: live as the archetypal Saviour lives, and you and those around you will hunger no more. The beneficence of the world manifests itself to those who live properly. That’s better than bread. That’s better than the money that will buy bread. Thus Christ, the symbolically perfect individual, overcomes the first temptation. Two more follow.”[3]

What Jesus being able to multiply bread ctually means is that Jesus is the bread of life and we must trust in him. He is the provider of all things including salvation. But Peterson presents Christ as a spiritual principle rather than the saviour of all mankind. This is very different. This is nowhere near Christianity. 

Peterson has told us many times that he does not believe in Jesus Christ of the scriptures or the Christian creeds, and that he is not a Christian. So, I think it is time for people to move on from their obsession with this man. Peterson’s writings and teachings, in my view, are not designed to point people to Jesus Christ, but beyond Jesus Christ. Something the ancient Gnostics sought to do. This man is not a teacher any Christian should sit under.  

List of References



[1] Peterson, Jordan B.. 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos (p. 196). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.

[2] Peterson, Jordan B.. 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos (p. 103). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.

[3] Peterson, Jordan B.. 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos (p. 182, 189). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.

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